this recently it is not really a cut to medicare. >> it is not the of a full- service cut. >> it is in the ryan budget plan. he was serving cut up three-four times in the serveto not and the president -- did not even take the bait or swing at it. if you are a from a supporter you are cheering but if you are undecided. i still do not know. you are going to hear a lot about romney perhaps victory over the debate but the style, on aggression. and weather it was refuted. but for undecided was there enough specifics? facts? >>pam: also mitt romney seemed to move that etch a sketch moved towards the middle. the debate has really been holding the reins. and with portions of retributions. tonight, i got the sense that he was beginning to move towards the middle to reach those voters. >> he was making the meta-making the-case that mitt romney wanted to own liking immigration reform. and quite frankly what he has been doing. perhaps to one the narrative he would be doing better at it. >> to view think that president obama is off his mark? >> they should have seen this coming. i think that if you are a ri
